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Posted Today, 08:29 AM

Good stuff Sam, I thought you would say home schooling or some sort of Montessori private. I think most privates would be too authoritarian for your thoughts, even more so than publics.

I know I'm just jumping in on your conversation but ...well fuck you I do what I want.

 

I know a few parents that have their kids enrolled in a Montessori and their kids are kind of robotic. They seam almost zombie like and don't seem to have a single personal thought in their heads. Now that may just be because the parents are about as sharp as a spoon, but its just seems like each one I have met can't think for themselves.


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Posted Today, 08:51 AM

This part I believe without any issues.  

 

Public school def has its flaws, but I honestly believe its 100% the parents.  If you're parent/s are supporting you and the curriculum, helping you understand it's purpose all the way through, you have a HUGE advantage over kids who just ride through the system only being taught one way the whole time. Whether it works for them or not.  That's my believe anyway, an involve parent or set of parents can really help their child absorb what they're supposed to be learning, and learn why they are going each day.  Difference is night and day in what I've experienced.  My parents were barely involved, only when they had to be like many parents who are struggling to make it with multiple kids, I don't blame them for that, it's just the hand they were dealt. 

 

Parents play a very significant roll in their children's education, you won't find anyone to argue that point. Is it everything...no. Once you get to a certain level (mostly with elite privates & magnets) there is a big difference in the type of education a child receives. That's why places like DISD have magnet schools in place. You don't want an extremely talented and bright student to suffer at high schools like South Oak Cliff, Skyline and the like. The environment around kids plays a vital roll as well.


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Posted Today, 08:55 AM

I know I'm just jumping in on your conversation but ...well fuck you I do what I want.

 

I know a few parents that have their kids enrolled in a Montessori and their kids are kind of robotic. They seam almost zombie like and don't seem to have a single personal thought in their heads. Now that may just be because the parents are about as sharp as a spoon, but its just seems like each one I have met can't think for themselves.

 

That seems really strange as the entire point of a Montessori is to allow the kids to make more of their own decisions with less structure. Kind of the exact opposite from what they are attempting to accomplish.

 

We're looking into a lot of different options. We're probably going to send my oldest to Alcuin (Montessori) or da vinci over the next year or two, then go from there. My wife nanny's for a child that is currently in first grade at Alciun, and she's in love with the school. Dang kids have been doing cursive for 2 years already and are working on long division and multiplication. "Elite" privates in Dallas are getting outrageously expensive, so we're trying to look into all of our options.  



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Posted Today, 08:57 AM

Yes I somewhat agree there.  I don't think the environment is at the same level as parent involvement but it does play a role.  How big is completely up to the child, parent, and teachers in that child's life.  And the child's attitude toward learning altogether.  Sadly there really is no one answer to how to get the best of whatever, each child will learn and achieve things differently.  All you really can do is give them what you think is the best, and be the best support system you can.  

 

Obviously talking bad about their school and the systems they're going to be learning through won't help their attitude towards them.  It may in fact mirror your own which could be a negative in their life.  Not saying this to anyone specific, just saying it to be said.  I know I can see things my daughter mirrors in me and my wife and she's only 3 1/2.  Truly a scary thought when you see it play out in front of you.  


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Posted Today, 09:01 AM

That seems really strange as the entire point of a Montessori is to allow the kids to make more of their own decisions with less structure. Kind of the exact opposite from what they are attempting to accomplish.

 

We're looking into a lot of different options. We're probably going to send my oldest to Alcuin (Montessori) or da vinci over the next year or two, then go from there. My wife nanny's for a child that is currently in first grade at Alciun, and she's in love with the school. Dang kids have been doing cursive for 2 years already and are working on long division and multiplication. "Elite" privates in Dallas are getting outrageously expensive, so we're trying to look into all of our options.  

 

This is my experience as well.  They seem to be more independent and reach further into the spectrum of learning than a public school will ever be able to offer.  Start them earlier and expand in all directions throughout their education.  They're not all the same, but that seems to be their goal.  Wish I could afford a school like that for my children, but I would also expose them to a LOT of normal everyday group activities where they are not in with only the elite children.  Try to give them a well rounded view of the world and their place in it.  I feel that could be a struggle for them growing up in a school like that.  But it may not even be an issue.


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Posted Today, 09:12 AM

And sometimes it's just the kid. My mom was there when I told the principle that I didn't care what he thought, and that I was done with his intuition.
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Posted Today, 09:14 AM

This is my experience as well.  They seem to be more independent and reach further into the spectrum of learning than a public school will ever be able to offer.  Start them earlier and expand in all directions throughout their education.  They're not all the same, but that seems to be their goal.  Wish I could afford a school like that for my children, but I would also expose them to a LOT of normal everyday group activities where they are not in with only the elite children.  Try to give them a well rounded view of the world and their place in it.  I feel that could be a struggle for them growing up in a school like that.  But it may not even be an issue.

 

I can tell you first hand that your later statement is 100% on point. When I went off to college, it was like a completely different world. I was WAY to sheltered in my upbringing, not only from an environmental perspective but also from a "freedom" aspect. If we end up going with an elite private or a high end public education, we will definitely have a focus on worlds outside of ours. 


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Posted Today, 09:18 AM

And sometimes it's just the kid. My mom was there when I told the principle that I didn't care what he thought, and that I was done with his intuition.

 

Absolutely. Different kids strive at different schools. That is one of the things I do like about good private schools. They evaluate you and your child to make sure it is going to be the right fit for their environment. Most of the top privates in Dallas (and I'm sure across the country) have a waiting list a mile long to get in. To them it's not about a short term money thing, but getting the right kids into their system.....which will result in a long standing tenure of high scores and being able to charge top dollar for tuition. 



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Posted Today, 09:25 AM

And sometimes it's just the kid. My mom was there when I told the principle that I didn't care what he thought, and that I was done with his intuition.

 

Yes and no.  Of course there are those who purposely sabotage themselves and the system they're in.  But if that same child is challenged in a way that fits their learning ability I believe they can be re-focused toward the goals they want to achieve.  Not saying anyone will ever know the answer to this, but every person has some way they are motivated.  The challenge as parents is learning what those are in each of our children and trying to get them focused correctly toward achieving those goals.  Also helping them understand how/why an education in a system that isn't perfect is a big step toward achieving many of those goals.  Is it the actual proverbial key, no, but it's a good piece of it.  And it can certainly help achieve more things, easier, than without having it.  IMO.


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Posted Today, 09:53 AM

 
Yes and no.  Of course there are those who purposely sabotage themselves and the system they're in.  But if that same child is challenged in a way that fits their learning ability I believe they can be re-focused toward the goals they want to achieve.  Not saying anyone will ever know the answer to this, but every person has some way they are motivated.  The challenge as parents is learning what those are in each of our children and trying to get them focused correctly toward achieving those goals.  Also helping them understand how/why an education in a system that isn't perfect is a big step toward achieving many of those goals.  Is it the actual proverbial key, no, but it's a good piece of it.  And it can certainly help achieve more things, easier, than without having it.  IMO.

Which was kind of my entire point and why my little one won't be going to public school. I didn't sabotage myself; the system I was in literally couldn't challenge me. I was in the "gifted" classes, but even that was slow. I didn't want to achieve anything because it was all just so fucking boring. I only had one teacher in my whole public education that had any real impact on me. "Coach" Bell. He taught 8th grade history, and he made it fun. He would also make you do pushups if you were late to class, which was pretty funny.
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Posted Today, 10:28 AM

We don't have to agree, and probably won't.  

 

 

I don't believe the system failed you though.


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Posted Today, 10:36 AM

I guess what I mean is what I said when I started this train of thought. School is for the lowest common denominator. I got a lot more education from my Father's bookshelf than I ever did in school.

The problem now is that with "no child left behind" and all that crap, that the schools really are catering to the idiots. Test scores and graduation rates are all that matter.

I like to watch this when I get in this state of mind. And it's from 2010.



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Posted Today, 10:42 AM

Yeah, there are some huge flaws with public school systems, that is for sure.  Can't ignore or make excuses for those. 


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